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Title: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: bluepalm on May 01, 2019, 02:19:46 AM
I'm currently trying to understand and, I hope, bring some change to my sense that the future won't come. I mentioned to a trauma therapist some years ago that I am always surprised when a new year comes around. I don't expect the future to happen and so I don't plan or dream for, or anticipate, having a future.  I was surprised when she told me there's a word for that: 'foreshortening'. It was a help to realise that my experience was not mine alone - that the experience has a name.

This has now become an urgent issue for me as I realise the full extent of the loss involved in a lifetime spent without any sense that the future will come. I wish it could be different and I raised it with my therapist this week to try to understand it. I think it comes from being utterly focused on surviving the present - there's no energy left to imagine a future. I'm not worried about something happening to me, it's that I don't feel there's any forward path of movement in my life; there's just 'managing' now. It sounds as if this would be a good thing.That I am living in the moment mindfully. But it doesn't feel good, it feels sometimes as if I'm alone spinning through space, going no-where with no-one. It is frightening. And it has practical consequences in life.

I would be interested to hear from anyone else who has similar issues with the sense of having a foreshortened future.

I've recently discovered an article written by three philosophers which others may also find interesting. It's a discussion of whether the trauma of being tortured can leave someone with a different relationship to time.  The authors acknowledge that they are discussing a situation where a previously non-traumatised person is tortured and that there are people who have never known any period of non-trauma because of childhood experiences, but the discussion also applies to such people.

I found the article really helpful as a way to analyse my problem. It also helped me to understand that the experiences I had in my FOO (and marriage) fit the definition of torture. For example, this extract from the article:

"What makes interpersonal trauma distinctive is the subversion of interpersonal trust that it involves. The other person recognizes one's vulnerability and responds to it not with care but by deliberately inflicting harm. The aim of torture has been described as the complete psychological destruction of a person: "the torturer attempts to destroy a victim's sense of being grounded in a family and society as a human being with dreams, hopes and aspirations for the future" (Istanbul Protocol, 1999, p. 45). It is a "calculated assault on human dignity," more so than an attempt to extract information (Amnesty International, 1986, p. 172)


See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4166378/

Front Psychol. 2014; 5: 1026.
Published online 2014 Sep 17.
What is a "sense of foreshortened future?" A phenomenological study of trauma, trust, and time
Matthew Ratcliffe, Mark Ruddell and Benedict Smith
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: saylor on May 01, 2019, 06:49:35 PM
I think I can relate somewhat. I have tended to assume I'm not going to live very long. In my case, I think it has to do a lot with wishfully thinking that I won't live long, because life is not appealing to me. I have never thought of it in terms of how my early, chronic traumatic stress forced me to live in the NOW all the time (although that makes a lot of sense, and probably applies). I think it was more of a mindset that if things get too unbearable one day, I'll have to check out (since life already often seems unbearable).
It has prevented me from investing in friendships, marriage, investing in certain ways financially....
The weird thing is that it doesn't actually cause me to "live in the moment" much, as I have a strong tendency to ruminate over the past and dread the future. So I feel I really haven't gotten any benefit from it (although, you're right, it sounds like it would be good).
Thanks for bringing this up and giving me some interesting stuff to think about
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: MoonBeam on May 10, 2019, 09:33:14 PM
Thanks for this bluepalm.  A few months back, in one of our earlier sessions, my T asked me what my hopes and plans were for the future. I was kind of taken back, as I realized I didn't have any. It hadn't occurred to me to think much about it. I never held much hope for a future. I remember answering that I didn't have any. Then I said, how can I have a future when I have no past? In a way it's like i didn't exist then, so I won't exist in the future. There's just the 'getting through the now.'
I have kids and I think about their future, especially as they're a teen and young adult now. But it ends there. I wonder where I have been in my thoughts of their future.  I wonder if as I find the me underneath all the trauma of the past, I will begin to exist in a way that would warrant or inspire hopes or thoughts of my future.
Good food for thought.
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: bluepalm on May 10, 2019, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: MoonBeam on May 10, 2019, 09:33:14 PM
Then I said, how can I have a future when I have no past? In a way it's like i didn't exist then, so I won't exist in the future. There's just the 'getting through the now.'

MoonBeam what you say here has clarified for me how much having no dreams for the future is the flip side of having no memories of the past. You've helped me realise that, as I was telling my T about this sense of foreshortening in my last session with her, I was also telling her how embarrassing it is not to remember my past, not to recognise people, not to be able to place people I meet who know me somewhere in my past (did I work with them? When? Where?).

So thank you for your comment. It's helped my understanding.

Indeed, as I write this, I can feel a lessening of my self-blame for my poor memory and my failure to anticipate a future. It's not my fault that my sense of being in this world was narrowed drastically to surviving the present. Those who failed to give me love and protection and a chance for human comfort, those who led me to believe I had no right to be alive, those who inflicted constant assaults on my dignity and  human integrity for so many formative years of my life and beyond - they are the reason I struggle here this morning with these issues. But I'm alive and I'm still gaining insights and that's good.  Thank you again Moonbeam.

P.S. I love your name - I named one of my cats Moonbeam. She was pure white and curled up in a ball like the moon when I first saw her as a kitten. She's no longer with me but I gave her a good life for 16 years - I gave her the protection and safety and love she needed to relax into life. I wish that had been given to me....
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Encontrada on May 11, 2019, 02:45:03 AM
Thank you for posting this.
And this quote I really liked.

"What makes interpersonal trauma distinctive is the subversion of interpersonal trust that it involves. The other person recognizes one's vulnerability and responds to it not with care but by deliberately inflicting harm. The aim of torture has been described as the complete psychological destruction of a person: "the torturer attempts to destroy a victim's sense of being grounded in a family and society as a human being with dreams, hopes and aspirations for the future" (Istanbul Protocol, 1999, p. 45)

I had never thought about foreshortened.. didn't know it was a word. As long as I can remember I always felt I would die early and even today at almost 40 I'm so immersed in living day to day and the short term that things like retirement planning don't even enter the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Regret on May 11, 2019, 06:23:06 AM
Thank you for posting this and thanks to everyone who already replied.

I've often wondered why I choose to read a topic here, like this one after waking up at 1 am and deciding to read something until I get tired.

I can only give a great big "me to" to everything that has been said. No thought of the future, even the next day, for over 60 years, no memory of the past other than significant traumatic events and not being able to remember anyone's name a minute after it was told to me.

Plan for the future "they" told me, something easy to say but not possible for me to do, and no interest to do so. Why, since I never expected to live that long anyway. Life in the "moment to moment" lane for over 6 decades really is a life stolen by exposure to daily childhood traumatic events.

Now, thanks to all written above, I know why I can't do a budget and could never answer, always drew a blank when faced with the one question asked in every job interview I've ever had: "Where do you want to be in 5 years?"

I always thought there was something wrong with me but now know what and that I have, unfortunately for a lot of us, company in the world of foreshortened, stolen lives.

Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: bluepalm on May 12, 2019, 12:29:18 AM
Thank you so very much to all those who have responded to my original post. Sharing your thoughts and experiences as you have done is so valuable to me. I feel I've travelled a good distance in understanding and even changing somewhat my sense of having no future, just in the past two weeks, and your responses have been central to that.  :grouphug:
   
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Rainagain on May 15, 2019, 09:20:30 AM
I recognise this in myself.

It reminds me of a motorcycle accident I had as a youth.

Time slowed and I can remember those few seconds clearly 40 years later.

Maybe whatever causes time to slow (adrenaline?) Can get switched on for months and years due to trauma leaving no way to consider the future.
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: MoonBeam on May 15, 2019, 10:13:04 PM
Blue Palm, thanks again for posting this and sharing your insight. I came back to it several times wanting to reply and each time I felt such anxiety and sadness, I simply couldn't. So interesting to me, considering until I read your post I hadn't even thought about the implications of  a foreshortened future.

Quoting you: "Indeed, as I write this, I can feel a lessening of my self-blame for my poor memory and my failure to anticipate a future. It's not my fault that my sense of being in this world was narrowed drastically to surviving the present. Those who failed to give me love and protection and a chance for human comfort, those who led me to believe I had no right to be alive, those who inflicted constant assaults on my dignity and  human integrity for so many formative years of my life and beyond - they are the reason I struggle here this morning with these issues. But I'm alive and I'm still gaining insights and that's good."

This really brought it home for me. You stated it so perfectly and accurately. I feel that my past, my childhood, was stolen. That it was so corrupted, so damaged that it wasn't viable. I'm struggling with this now and I realize the sense of hopelessness I often carry drastically impedes my ability to feel inspired for a future, which in turn feeds hopelessness, and round and round. It's really a feeling of a loss of self for me. There's so much more I wish I could say regarding, but I don't have words yet.

Thank you for sharing your understanding and I'm hopeful to learn more about how this resonates with me and my journey. It feels important. And thank you so much for saying such kind things about my name. It makes me happy to think it was shared with a sweet furry friend, who was loved and cared for.

MoonBeam
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: bluepalm on May 16, 2019, 05:39:13 PM
MoonBeam, I've woken at 3:15am, there's a full moon outside in the night sky, and my laptop opened at your posting, which I had read before falling asleep. Thank you for your thoughts. All I can say right now is how precious it is to feel a connection with you and the others with whom my experience of this foreshortening, this stolen childhood, this stolen right to feel fully alive on this earth, with hopes and dreams for the future, has resonated.

How sad it is that our potential to feel the full miracle of being alive on this earth, under the moon, hurtling through space, has been so damaged. Thank you to you, and all who have posted here, for giving me the precious gift of feeling understood.

And I'm grateful to OOTS for giving us the chance to articulate our thoughts and feelings. It is a tribute to all of us that we are openly wrestling with these painful issues in our search for healing.  :grouphug:
Bluepalm
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Feral Child on May 18, 2019, 12:19:17 AM
Thank you to all of you for posting on this topic.  I was unaware anyone else felt this way and to now have this phenomenon explained is quite reassuring.  I'm 64 now but throughout my life have always believed my life would be cut short.  What a way to spend your childhood.   :stars:
Glad I was able to do a little planning for retirement but it was never because I thought I would make it there.  Just that it was the right thing to do for any survivors I might have!
The link to the article was so helpful.
:hug:
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Yipeee on June 22, 2019, 08:26:53 PM
Bluepalm and others, I'd like to share my sympathies and understanding with you in suffering with this also. The effects of foreshortening, 'narrowing', memory loss, and ones development all ring true. It is devastating.

The feeling of loss  upsets me the most, and loss maybe encompassing all the above. I feel and think about this more as I get older and, as my reality comes into focus the longer I have been in therapy. I suppose a lot of losses have been as a result of both the abuse and missing emotional connections, and also having dissociated most of my life. The self then really is existing on unsteady ground, memory is really problematic, and as moonbeam wrote 'how can I have a future when I have no past?' Ah this if it helps really resonates!

I have found creativity (art making) over the years has really helped. In terms of bringing my self into the present through working with materials. It has helped somewhat to develop a sense of a vision and imagination beyond ruminating,. Although it is a struggle still, as my NPD parents although encouraged me strangely, they would then confusingly pollute the outcome!  :stars: So the sense of  hopelessness over time I can relate to as this was all encompassing unfortunately.  :fallingbricks:

The quote is really validating! Thank you for sharing!  :cheer:

Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: bluepalm on June 22, 2019, 10:01:52 PM
Yipeee thank you for your thoughts. I've also found, unfortunately only in very recent years, that drawing and painting, working with art materials, is an effective way to focus my attention on the present and cease ruminating. It also helps me in my struggle to sense a future (albeit a fairly short term future) because, while working on a painting, I have a vision of what I want to create and it gives me something to think about and to work towards. It helps me sense my life as a journey which should continue. (I first wrote 'will continue' and realised that felt wrong to me; it felt uncomfortably strong.) And once a drawing or painting that satisfies me has come into being, I have something that is part of 'me' that I can see as lasting into the future. I didn't know this would happen, but drawing and painting is helping to bring me a sense of the future even as it anchors me in the present. Art has become a central source of healing for me. 
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Yipeee on June 22, 2019, 10:21:34 PM
Hi Bluepalm

You welcome!

Its wonderful hearing you talk about how drawing and painting has in recent years has become a central part of your healing journey! Giving you the space to be in the present, you with the materials, where you can come out of the ruminating type thinking. I understand where you talk about

'And once a drawing or painting that satisfies me has come into being, I have something that is part of 'me' that I can see as lasting into the future.

It's wonderful creating something! What kind of things do you draw and paint can I ask!?... I am intrigued!

Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: bluepalm on June 22, 2019, 10:45:25 PM
Thanks for your response Yipeee. I've found my primary urge is to paint human faces, portraits, both of myself and others. Which, in a way, I find strange because I often have difficulty recognising faces, putting names to faces when I meet people. Realising where I know a face from.

I've wondered whether this strong urge to draw and paint faces comes from my having experienced an absence of my mother's face (and my father's face)  to 'hold onto' when I was first born. I'm now drawn to bringing faces into my vision through my pencil and brush.

My mother said that when she held me out to my father to hold when he visited her in hospital after my birth, he turned his back and walked away and at that moment she 'knew she had failed him'. My mother also said she would leave me alone all day while she went out shopping and would forget she even had a baby and be surprised when she came home in the evening and I was still there in the cot. Or she would put me in the pram in the garden for hours and I'd lie there or sit there, still and silent.

Currently I'm painting myself as a baby and toddler in an attempt to allow me to feel I was really alive then, that I was three dimensional flesh and blood, a normal pretty baby born into this world, through no fault of my own, with normal needs.

Being in the natural world, feeling the earth under my feet, holding onto tree trunks, has been a primary comfort for me all my life and I also paint landscapes and gardens. I have no interest in painting the built, industrial world or in painting fantastical scenes. I need to feel grounded in what I make.

Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Yipeee on June 23, 2019, 12:59:12 PM
Bluepalm, the paintings of yours and peoples faces sound really interesting! Particularly knowing what it means to you to be making them. The motivations for this. In exploring in flesh and blood what it is to feel alive at that time as a baby. That makes sense that you want to feel grounded and rooted, painting landscapes and gardens! I can relate to this! I like the freedom, joy and creative use of form and colour in the work by Mattisse and the fauvists for example. Very joyful and celebrating humanity! When I look at those types of works they make me smile inside! What are you painting onto... canvas, board?

It is really moving what you experienced as a baby, and how this must have effected you. As the story of your mother describing how she felt she had somehow failed your father with presenting you at birth, him turning his back. How her telling you this must have effected you. Alongside her telling you that she  left you on your own for long periods of time, easily it seems. It must be confusing and gut wrenching understanding why one would do this!?

I can relate to the sense of neglect you experienced in many ways, and a lot of the work I am doing now in therapy is in confronting the script that my parents needed to hold of me and project into me. As in their eyes (mind) I had to be less than  and serve as their scapegoat. So it effects how I relate to others now as it feels familiar. A lot of creative making I find helps me to slowly somewhat overcome this faulty script also. Its a way of externalizing the internalized.

I've been looking at a child development theory connected to creativity and the imagination that you may be interested in. Its by Donald W. Winnicott and can be found in a book called 'Playing and Reality'. Its certainly helped me with a theory of making, which for me has helped me feel more rooted as an artist generally. To develop meaning around my creativity. So I like to pass this on when I can! My T recommended it to me a few years ago.

I'd be interested to hear what you think sometime if you get a chance of course to have a look!

Wishes  :)











Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Regret on June 23, 2019, 01:51:11 PM
This is an absolutely wonderful topic for me. I've read through it several times. Each time it opens up new insights into my life as it is today, what I missed out of in the past and together that presents a future that scares the heck out of me.

Reading through also sparks feelings that I've never had before, good feelings that encourage me to keep moving forward.

So thank you to all who have contributed to this topic. Your words have helped me greatly.
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Yipeee on June 23, 2019, 02:17:59 PM
Hi Regret!

Yes its very affirming, validating, and generative of good feelings as you describe, just to be able to share in ideas around this! Its maybe that part of us in out inner child is getting that understanding. Not feeling so alone. As naturally the warmth and emotional needs would have been there in a healthy FOO.

I just re read your post and can relate completely and feel relieved to know I am not alone in being dumb founded when asked where i wanna be in five years time!

Errr...If only you knew is usually my first thought to that question! with a slight inner chuckle to myself at the perverse ridiculousness of that question!

I am really pleased you having good feelings around this, as they can pave the way for a 'different' sense of future do you think!?
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: bluepalm on June 24, 2019, 03:05:15 AM
Yipeee thank you for your warm response. I have ordered Winnicott's 'Playing and Reality' that you recommend. Given drawing and painting are now so central to keeping me reasonably stable, I'm interested in exploring more about what creating my art means to me. To answer your question, I draw in pencil, charcoal and pastel on paper, paint in watercolours on paper and paint in oils on board and canvas. I'm grateful that I have enough skill that the results are satisfying to me and once created, help me to feel alive and comforted. I look at the art work and feel I have made something valuable, something from inside me has come into being and will exist into the future. I think this is a powerful way for me to defy all the contempt and attempts to erase me, to make me invisible, to which I've been subject for so long.

To give you an idea of the pressure placed on me to deny me any way to express myself, many years ago I asked my then husband why he stopped me, with his anger, from playing the piano. He replied that he didn't like me doing anything he couldn't do and he didn't like me doing anything he could do. The absurdity of this is comical but the impact on my life for many years was not at all funny. He was denying me any way of expressing myself, of feeling alive. So I'm grateful I now have the freedom to create my art works.

Regret, I'm so pleased that this topic has been helpful for you. It's certainly been invaluable for me to be able to share my concerns and receive understanding, validating responses.
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Yipeee on June 24, 2019, 04:32:54 PM
Bluepalm, Ah thanks for sharing your experiences and I look forward to hearing what you think of the book!

I understand how you must feel having been denied expression of yourself by your then husband, and feeling erased and invisible by someone you must have loved. It must have been awful for you.

It is comically absurd looking is'nt it, the reasons why he or, why anyone needs to do that! Sounds like you were between a rock and hard place and I am glad for you that you managed to get out of that situation.

The comic framing though feels like it helps you! but yes despite this the impact is very real still. It kind of takes the wind out of ones sails.

I am pleased that painting comforts you and you feel alive with your creations!! It is so affirming when you put a part of yourself out into the world to be celebrated!! Well done with developing the skill you are pleased with, and working across the mediums aswell! :applause:

I think I am going to try and adopt and integrate the comic viewpoint a bit more to my own situations if I may!? As its made me smile and resonates with me you see! Its funny isnt it how a sense of humour develops out of things like this!?




Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Bix on June 26, 2019, 05:09:00 PM
This term "foreshortened" future is interesting.  Also your quote hit me like a ton of bricks.

I came to this board because I have a constant sense that I'm about to die shortly.  I wonder if this fits the definition.
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: bluepalm on September 14, 2019, 10:37:24 PM
I wanted to thank everyone who responded to my original post yet again and from the bottom of my heart.

I feel that my articulation of this issue, your responses, and working with my therapist on this issue have all contributed to my making significant changes in my mind, and in my body, as to how I view the future. It's like I've taken a confident leap to allow myself to have a future.

Bix, you said: 
Quote from: Bix on June 26, 2019, 05:09:00 PM
This term "foreshortened" future is interesting.  Also your quote hit me like a ton of bricks.

I came to this board because I have a constant sense that I'm about to die shortly.  I wonder if this fits the definition.

One thing that has changed in me is that I no longer look around my home, at my kitchen bench, at my bedroom, each time I leave the house (for however short a time), wondering whether it is clean and tidy enough for someone to come in to sort out my belongings because I will die while I am out (for however short a time) and away from home. The ridiculous nature of this behaviour has somehow become obvious to me (because I do not in fact live in a war zone). And I'm grateful that I've somehow shed that behaviour quite abruptly, like taking off a coat, in recent weeks.

Indeed, my sense that the future will not come has left me to such an extent that I have in the past month extended the lease of my home for two years (which involves assuming that I will live for at least another two years) and, even more amazingly, next Monday I am bringing a puppy home to live with me and my older dog companion - an eight week old puppy who may have a life span of 18 years. I can now envision my life continuing, with this little puppy, out far into the future!

I feel this is all a hugely important advance into relaxing into my life. And the permanence of these changes (new lease, new puppy) makes me feel confident that this is not an issue that will come back to plague me again.

Thank you again to all those in this community whose words have contributed to my feeling this way. 
bluepalm  :grouphug:
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Three Roses on September 18, 2019, 04:01:20 AM
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Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Silverspoon on October 03, 2019, 03:13:03 AM
Dear bluepalm and everyone else
Your posts have been very interesting. I can relate only too well.
blupalm your story about what happened to you as a baby makes my heart bleed for you.

After my diagnosis and learning a bit about C-PTSD, I did some self-help visualization stuff to do with the inner child. One day I felt a strong urge to write about my losing my identity as a child and wanting to connect with my myself back then. This poem helped me to accept my condition and love myself as a whole.(me and my inner child, whom i continue to care for through my mind and soul) My writing this poem gave me hope and peace.
Despite the adversities associated with my disorders, I simply won't give up trying to live a happier life; I will forever try to go beyond my symptoms, and I hope the same for you.

Its called a Shadow of a Child.

The real me is still inside
Only a shadow of a child
But I will find ways to bring her to the fore
More and more, more and more
My identity was taken from me
I was only a child you see
Because of trauma and tragedy
A false me was destined to be
My mental ways are here to stay
But I will not let them have their way
At least not every day
I will fight for me come what may
The real me is still inside
Only a shadow of a child
But I will find ways to bring her to the fore
More and more, more and more
Lost she has been
So, lost she couldn't be seen
Her happiness and kindness is what I need to glean
I take one step at a time
I don't want to frighten her
She stays a while and then she is gone
She stays a while and then she is gone
Each day as the sun shines bright
I will bring her into the light
We connect with love and respect
We connect with such love and respect
The real me is still inside
Only a shadow of a child
But I will find ways to bring her to the fore
More and more, more and more
She loves to play
She loves to sing
Everything happy she does bring
So, tender I must be, with the little girl who's me
If all I have is a snippet of her
Just now and then, just now and then
I will be so grateful to the end
To the very end
I am older now you see
I can only change certain things about me
But each day I try for differences
Anything to do with the authentic me.

With love
Silverspoon
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: bluepalm on December 15, 2020, 10:21:40 PM
Hi silverspoon - I know some months have passed since you posted this wonderful poem but I still would like to acknowledge on this thread how moved I was as I read it just now. and I hope you eventually see this post.

Your opening lines in particular resonated with me:

"The real me is still inside
Only a shadow of a child
But I will find ways to bring her to the fore
More and more, more and more
My identity was taken from me
I was only a child you see"

The words "I was only a child you see" are important. They underline our innocence. They underline our helplessness in the face of cruelty and  all the abuse and neglect that caused such dreadful damage to our unfolding sense of ourselves. 

Thank you for responding. This thread has been very important to me inmy attempts to deal with that central issue of foreshortening. I had no expectation when I wrote it that it would bring forth such an understanding response from so many. That response has been healing for me.

It has been a testament to my inner healing that over the past three months I have been struggling hard to regain my equilibrium after my antidepressant medication was discontinued in my country and I had to find a new medication. It amazed me how quickly I fell into deep depression without the support of my medication. But it also amazed me that I knew it was my body reacting, expressing my 'base state', and my mind was actually quite clear. I felt that I held onto my healing, including the fading of my sense of 'foreshortening', and I felt no need to go back to my therapist to discuss anything. It was heartening to have this experience, but the dramatic decline in my mood meant I retreated from OOTS and from people in general until I've stabilised in the past couple of weeks.

Hence the lateness of my seeing your post and responding to your wonderful poem.
bluepalm
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Dark.art.girl on December 16, 2020, 04:44:22 AM
Hi! I'm new, and I just read your original post. I hope I'm not hijacking, but you've just taught me another thing about this condition that I didn't know was common. I've definitely felt this exact same thing. And it makes a lot of sense that since we've had to be surviving so much, our brains couldn't really comprehend a future. I'm not sure if this is how you experience it, but for me it feels like the future is possible but just intangible. Or surreal. Like I can't imagine what another year or another decade could even look like. Or if it even 'exists' so to speak.
It's similar to things in the past that just don't seem real or tangible. Like it never happened, or it's just a dream. Like it has to be right in front of my face for me to grasp it. I don't know if this is exactly what you're talking about (I can't validate any of my own thoughts or feelings lol).

Is this similar to how you feel about it? I haven't read all of the replies but a few seem to feel the same way about both of our experiences. I'm sorry that you and everyone else has had to deal with this, because sometimes it brings a lot of harrowing thoughts and sometimes an existential crisis. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. It's scary, but I'm glad that you have the comfort of knowing a name for it and that you're not alone. 
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: bluepalm on December 20, 2020, 03:47:18 AM
Hi Dark.art.girl, and thank you for posting your thoughts in response to this thread. I feel that my experience of foreshortening and what you describe are essentially the same.

The more I think about this topic the more I feel that the inability to imagine the future (or remember much of the past) and the difficulty some of us have in validating our thoughts and feelings all flow logically from the destruction of a sense of self that traumatic abuse and neglect by caretakers in infancy and childhood cause. If I have no solid sense of myself, if I feel, as I have done, that I am blown through the world like a bit of paper, utterly without agency to determine my fate, and I have never known anything else, then it makes sense that I have trouble imagining a future or holding onto a past. 

I come back to what I quoted in my first post - it seems to me that what can happen to abused and neglected infants and children fits the definition of torture, even if those responsible for the harm may not consciously understand that their actions serve to destroy a child's psychic being.

The quote was: "What makes interpersonal trauma distinctive is the subversion of interpersonal trust that it involves. The other person recognizes one's vulnerability and responds to it not with care but by deliberately inflicting harm. The aim of torture has been described as the complete psychological destruction of a person: "the torturer attempts to destroy a victim's sense of being grounded in a family and society as a human being with dreams, hopes and aspirations for the future" (Istanbul Protocol, 1999, p. 45). It is a "calculated assault on human dignity," more so than an attempt to extract information (Amnesty International, 1986, p. 172)

This is why it is so important to raise awareness in the community that parents who betray their child's trust with abuse and neglect are responsible for inflicting psychic harm that can adversely affect that child's entire life.
Title: Re: Trying to understand and change a sense of a 'foreshortened' future
Post by: Dante on August 15, 2021, 02:01:33 PM
I know this is an old post, but I am new to the board, and this really spoke to me.  As a child, I remember expecting I'd never make it to 20.  I just knew it as a fact, it wasn't even something that consciously disturbed me, it was just a fact. 

I never realized it was the same thing, but I go to bed each night expecting that I'll die that night, so I sort everything out for those surviving me.  As I fall asleep, I have a massive panic attack each night (I guess that's me feeling like I'm dying).  It's actually a relief once the panic attack comes, because then I can just accept it and fall asleep.  But the panic attack itself sucks (hammering heart, terror, etc.).

My father died 5 years ago, and I had really mixed feelings about it.  I was always terrified he would died without ever being able to show that he loved me or accepting me (he also had CPTSD I think from abuse in his own childhood) and also leaving me with my narcissistic, manipulative, abusive mother (who also has PTSD from her own abusive childhood).  On the one hand it broke me, but on the other hand it was a relief - both because I didn't have to worry about him anymore and also because I now knew my "expiration date".