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SO,

I too am terrified at the doorbell and the phone when it rings. My heart goes into my throat. I see some growth in you though in that you didn't fawn over the partier who wanted you to give him booze. Good for you!!!!! That's something to put in your pocket as a win. I'll always take a win, even a small one.

I have a noisy neighborhood too. For years I've been angry and hurt and frustrated over the music and barking dogs, but more and more I'm giving in and just wearing earmuffs and turning on loud fans at bedtime. If I thought I could find a better place to live, I'd move, but so far, I can't, so I'm doing plan B instead. It's starting to be easier for me to deal with a little. Still...maybe someday I can find a quieter home.

I'm deeply fascinated by your upcoming trip alone off the grid. The battle going on inside you is what's got me so enthralled. You want to do something that you find has value. You're doing it for you. Even though these trips make you feel alone and stressed, you still do them because you see a true value in them. BUT then you feel like you shouldn't do them. Like a little part of you is telling you that you shouldn't, while a bigger part of you is encouraging you to do it.

Some of the members of the forum have taught me a saying, "You're shoulding all over yourself." HA HA! I love that saying and I use it all the time now.

If going off grid for extended time periods helps you find any healing at all in your soul then I'm impressed you are working up the courage to do them, and not letting your little should-head guilt you into stopping.

What I've learned in my incessant reading of any books written by successful trauma therapists, is that courage is the fence that we stand on.  With each event of our lives we choose which side of the fence to step off into: the "retreating" side where we continue to hide in fear or the "go for it" side where we risk actually living in success. I know it's a good thing to pick our battles, and retreat when it's appropriate, but I'm starting to see that it can be a good thing to step off into the "go for it" side once in a while too. The doorbell rings and we feel fear. If we choose to cower to the fear, we hide and remain afraid. If we choose to gather enough courage to open the door even while we're afraid, we find resolution. Sometimes hiding saves us from harm. Sometimes opening the door does. I guess that's what's called Discernment: Knowing when to advance and when to retreat. It's a good skill to cultivate.

Courage to face our emotions transforms fear into accomplishments.

The emotion I deal with more than all others is the emotion of Apathy. Apathy is when I give up and roll over and decide life isn't worth living and my values mean nothing and it just doesn't matter anymore. What I've learned through my studies is that if I can add a little courage to my appathy and decide that I AM worth something, the emotion of Apathy transforms into the emotion of Surrender.

Surrender is to say, "I am willing to let go of my own desires in favor of getting with the program". It tends to lead to acceptance of the things I can't change, which then diverts my energies into the things I'd forgotten I CAN change.
 
Apathy is to say, "I'm letting go and I don't care anymore." It tends to lead to an inability to accept the things I can't change, and takes all the energy away from the things I CAN change.

When going for it is the right choice, courage is alchemy. It turns lead into gold within our hearts. Courage is being willing to open the door even though we're scared to do so. Courage is being willing to take a long trip off the grid even when parts of us are screaming in our heads to not do it.

I'm impressed by your courage. I have never had the courage to go off grid alone like what you're doing.

Good luck and I hope it's the best off-grid trip of all so far.

PC

San,

It's good to read that you are starting to get some sleep. Sounds like the medications you and your MD are exploring are doing what you need them to do. That's always nice.

I can't possibly know what you should say to your D, but I can absolutely resonate with what it is like to have people whom I love being poisoned by the words of the unscrupulous. Knowing when or how to talk with her is a "sticky wicket".

In my own family, I tried for decades to defend myself against the lies and gossip of what was being said about me. In fact, I have come to know that what was said about me all those years was far more damaging than anything said to me.

Each family is similar but not identical. What worked to help me get past it in my own family was a decision to take the high road and just be the better person. Every time I tried to defend myself I just looked more guilty. So why bother trying? It didn't fix things with the family. I ended up being abandoned by all of them, but in my own heart, at least I'm not having to defend myself anymore. I no longer care what they say about me. BUT this is your D, who you want very much to stay in your life. So I'm not so sure that what I did is the right path for you.

BUT there is something to making sure that no matter what you decide to do, doing it from the high road is still a good thing. Out in the world, people say "Don't lower ourselves to their level" and I guess that's what I chose to do in my family. If anyone can't see that they're being lied to, we aren't really able to change that. It isn't until they look at him then at you and realize that one of you is a lying gossip and the other an honest victim, that they will fix this within themselves.

I recently learned a term: "Identified Patient." The quickest way for me to grasp the concept is to think of the old TV show, Gilligan's Island. Gilligan was the identified patient. The screw up. He was honest and well-meaning, but he made mistakes. And after a short while his propensity for mistakes defined him. Now, no matter what happened, the other 6 castaways on his island always just knew Gilligan was the one who was the mistake maker. Even when he wasn't making mistakes, they saw him as the mistake maker anyway. He couldn't ever break free of the reputation they were forcing on him. After a discussion with some friends last week, I started to see that I was the designated patient in my own FOO, and when anything went wrong, everyone just knew I was the screwup. I couldn't shake the reputation. I'd been typecast. No matter what happened, PC was the screwup so let's do like we always do and blame him. It had gotten to the point where all 4 of my siblings could marry and have children and be congratulated for it, but whenever I'd date, or when I married, or when I announced my wife's pregnancies, the family would panic because I was doing something stupid.

My wife's family was the opposite. They loved me and trusted me. They were overjoyed to welcome me in when I married their daughter, and they celebrated and supported all our pregnancies. I wasn't "the Gilligan" on their island. They saw me for who I really was. My own FOO saw me for who they had all decided I was.

Some people are able to fix their typecasting, others aren't. So I don't know if you should talk to your D or not, but I am sending you all the love and support I can to help you find your way through this decision. From reading your posts, I view you as a loving, compassionate, beautiful soul, and I hope you can feel that from more than just me. I think there are a number of people on the forum who write things that support that same sense of trust in you.

Maybe, I guess, just take your time and think this through until your heart finally feels like it knows what to do.

Journal Entry: 11/18/2025

Lots of changes lately. I've found an inexpensive app that provides a fairly robust listing of guided meditations that include binaural sounds (recorded with two microphones, providing different sounds between my two ears) that sort of do what EMDR does, but with ears instead of eyes. As the sounds move back and forth and up and down and around me through my headphones, I'm able to stay focused, and I think they do something like what EMDR does to open up different parts of the brain to receive the information that's being given to me through the guided meditations.

As I've been learning how to let go of the pain that is associated with my memories (A technique I learned from the book: Letting Go: the Pathway of Surrender, by Dr. David R Hawkins), I'm now getting even deeper help through these meditations.

This morning I selected a 40-minute meditation on self-forgiveness. It really dug in deep into my psyche and helped me to feel the true pain that I've been holding onto in my chest. I can truly see the reality that is taught to us through books like The Body Keeps the Score, by Bessel Van Der Kolk. Van Der Kolk's book told me that my body keeps energy and manifests illnesses in the areas where I'm holding stuck energy, but this meditation, this morning, was the first time I've ever truly experienced in my body what the book taught me in my intellect.

I've been learning that books tell us what it's like to experience something but experiencing it for real is a whole different learning. For example, You can write a book that tells me what it feels like to swim, but until I actually jump into the pool, I don't really know.  As of this morning, I KNOW what Van Der Kolk's book is saying about how stuck energy from the past ravages the body in the present. I felt it. I still feel it.

For my self-forgiveness, I do have a short list of things I've done in my past that I have never been able to forgive myself for. There were times that, because of my own abandonment issues, I've abandoned people or pets that loved me, and after a few years I discovered how badly my leaving had hurt them. Even though it was my own trauma that had me flee from them, I've never been able to forgive myself for those few times when my own trauma led to me hurting someone else in the same way.

This morning, as I was instructed to call up one of those instances so I could bring it forward for healing, the pain in my chest was greater than any I'd ever felt. Somehow, I knew, this was always there, but I'd always masked the pain over by stuffing it back down. A lot of the authors we read for trauma healing tell us that many heart attacks are the result of the pain we hold in our hearts from feeling abandoned, and as of this morning, I no longer just believe this, I now KNOW it is true. I feel it.

This morning a pain burst out into the open in my chest, and I was able to begin the process of releasing it. I plan to revisit this meditation at least once a week for as long as it takes to make that pain start to shrink. I hope that if I can do this repeatedly, every so often, that each time I do it, the pain will be less and less, and the self-forgiveness will be greater and greater. One time in the meditation isn't enough, but like an antibiotic medication, we have to take it every day for a while before we are healed, right?

Hi San,

I can understand how your talk with your bro has put some doubt into you. If he was raised by the same people you were, and he says he's fine, what does that say about you? I grew up being "the broken one" and taking the blame for it every second of my life until I was 50. Personally, I believe your doubts are just that: Doubts. I agree with your thought that he is just not as open as you are to the truth about how things were.

I'm #4 of 5 kids. My elder sibs were 13,11 and 8 when I was born. My little sis came 3 years after me. We were two distinctly different litters to the same parents. I have experienced the same sort of thing as you did with your bro recently. When I was 50, my family fell apart finally. My oldest sister, who I really didn't know well, connected with me, and we had a long series of similar conversations as yours. It took me some work to help Sis understand that we did NOT have the same parents. Little Sis and I grew up in the shadows of their childhoods. #2 was a sister who is a demon by most descriptions. Toxic in almost every way. Murderously toxic. I put most of the blame onto her for our little sister taking her own life. After raising that monster, Mom and Dad became very suspicious, and treated me like I was a thieving, conniving monster like #2 was. #2 broke their trust in children. My room got searched every day while I was at school because Mom once found hundreds of dollars worth of stolen jewelry in the closet of #2 who had been babysitting neighbor kids and was helping herself to their bedroom drawers. There were so many reasons my parents were different to #5 and me. It was an epiphanous time in #1's life as she, at age 63, heard for the first time from my own mouth what it was like being raised differently than she had been. Her parents were young and vibrant and building a new life. My parents (Same people) were old and working toward their retirement plans.

Personally, I believe that we are born with unique personalities, and then are raised under unique circumstances, making our own lives unique, even from the lives of our own siblings.  Just look at litters of puppies or kittens. Born together on the same hour, these siblings all have unique personalities even before they are raised.

As I read your words about his different take on life than yours, I'm drawn to my belief that we, the members of this forum, tend to be the ones with our eyes open. We see the damage. We feel the pain that everyone is living in. People who are like your bro, just close their eyes to it and don't deal with it. (Spoiler alert: Ignoring it doesn't heal it. I like to say that if we don't face our dragons, they will eventually turn and face us. Who knows? Perhaps his day to face his own dragons may still be coming).

I currently live my life by this rule: The whole world is traumatized, and those of us who recognize the trauma are the ones who are working through it. Those who pretend it's not there (like your bro) are doomed to repeat their pain until the day comes that they finally address it like we are doing now.

There may still be a day when your bro will need to deal with what you've been dealing with. He's on his own path. You are on your own path.

For what it's worth, I enjoy chatting with people like you more than I do those who hide from their pains.  They're shallow. We're deep. we are far, far more interesting conversationalists.

San.

I'm going to totally get on board with your comments that maybe it's not worth figuring out which fears come from which source. We are who we are because of everything we've been through. Whether we remember going through it or not, we went through it and it shaped us and now we are who we are.

A bunch of today's most current authors on trauma are starting to teach that we need to stop dividing our internal parts within ourselves, and to love and embrace every part of ourselves, even the broken parts. My IFS parts, even the ones that give me trouble, want to be loved. And if I can love everything in my life, even the pain and suffering, then I'm gaining the love I need for my healing.

So I try to catch myself now whenever I get down on myself for dropping something, or losing something, or breaking something by remembering to love my clumsiness as a part of who I am. The holistic feeling of loving even the parts of myself I didn't used to love, is reeeeealy empowering. The love grows quickly. Even through my Autumn Anxiety, I suffer, but I love my suffering-self as much as I love any other part of my Self, and it seems to be giving me a new sense of inner strength and stability.

It feels like I've been broken into pieces my whole life, and those pieces are starting to come back together. I feel like I'm becoming less fractured, more like I'm being put back together.

I'll talk more about this as I get comfortable with it. I'm only just getting started on self-love. I need some time to practice it and see if it lasts or if it's temporary.  But I will say this: If someone like me can learn to love myself holistically, then that's a powerful statement on the power of love. Up to now I couldn't even muster up enough self-love to be able to stand looking at myself in a mirror.

 

San,

I'm glad you got your bison. My mom was like yours. She'd rummage through my room while I was at school and throw away my possessions. When I'd find them missing, I'd ask. She'd say "You didn't need those anymore." If I ever argued back (which I only did once, then learned not to bother arguing ever again), she'd laugh at me like I was an idiot. 

So I resonate with how your bison gives you comfort AND with your scars from losing the doll you once loved.

Even though they were our mothers, I still call it bullying. Bullying is when we use whatever advantage we have, (age, size, authority, wealth) do something to someone without their permission. And the one thing I hate most about bullying is that it works. They win. Bullies win. and I HATE THAT!

I'm glad your D loved you enough to give you a bison and I'm very happy to hear your spirit animal is with you physically now at slumber time.

PC

Dark.Art.Girl,

Wow. I'm feeling your post in every fiber of my being. This got strongest when you said "...It's like I'm constantly making connections to that time period now. Has anyone ever experienced that? A song, a familiar looking person, the way the air feels around you, a smell, and it's just brings you back to the same spot? Constantly? Kind of like a loop."

Yes, YES! I've experienced it. Big time. When I first started remembering my CSA, I was in my late twenties, and as we come into the time of year when my abuse happened, I started losing my ability to know what year it was. It still happens to me on a smaller scale now. When I'm in an EF about what happened in 1967, I start to be unsure of what is memory and what is current. One day, I was alone in my bedroom and I heard my wife talking to our kids in the kitchen. I suddenly wasn't sure if that was my wife in 1989, or it was my mother in 1967 talking. The past and the present seemed to be occupying the exact same space in my head for a few moments.

it still happens now. Sometimes, as you say, it's a song or a physical reminder that brings the past back to life, other times it's the pain today that feels exactly like the pain of the past.

In a novel I'm reading right now, the author starts one of his chapters with the quote: "Walking through peaceful grounds, years after the battle, the soldier can still hear the cannons."  Bingo! That's me, and it sounds like it's where you're at right now. You can still hear the cannons.

I am mortified when I read how you've just discovered justice was never served. That is triggering for me too. (Don't fret: I like feeling triggers that prove I am resonating with a fellow soul). there never was any justice in my case. My abuse in the 1960s was never reported, and the abusers are all dead now. BUT I felt some joy when you said yours had all been convicted, and then I felt your pain when you said you just found out they weren't.

I am of the belief that the one thing that did the most damage to anyone with trauma disorders is the sense of being alone with the trauma. Having the abusers convicted didn't erase what they did, but conviction does give some sense that someone cared enough to punish them and take them off the streets. To find out that never happened feels like being hit in the head with a shovel. It just makes us feel like nobody really cared what was done to us, and that's where trauma gets its traction. It's been said that a child isn't traumatized by abuse. The child is traumatized by dealing with abuse alone.

But here on OOTS, we're not alone. When we open up to each other we find the friendship and support that we've been craving.

I hope the loving responses you're getting from the other OOTS members here helps soften the trauma.

I've learned to not panic when the past is brought back into the present and I get confused as to what year it is. It plays itself out and eventually goes back to its corner of my brain. I think it's okay to feel it. Love the younger version of yourself. Be the adult who cares for her. Imagine her in your arms, hugging you. Maybe sobbing on your shoulder and be the person who loves her back and promises that everything will turn out okay.

Younger you wants to be loved and you want to love her. I'm finding that to be the place where healing starts. The one thing all of us want is to be loved and accepted. That's true for our IFS parts too. The magic is in the love we give to each other and to ourselves.

I'll be thinking about you all day today.

PC.

 
San, 

Your comments that I'm not alone in this, and that we're in this together mean a lot. The only passion I have left in life is to feel connected with other souls who I resonate with. And I resonate with your post big time.

Driving was my passion too until recent years. I've done a lot of cross-country road trips. It used to be relaxing to just take a drive when stress was bothering me. As a teen I even wanted to be a long haul truck driver so I could drive for a living, (and also, I had romanticized the life of living on the road, as many people did back in the 1970s). But fear has taken that joy of mine away also. I plan my entire life around traffic lulls now because I hate being in traffic so bad. Traffic ignites my Fight/Flight response really bad. I hate feeling trapped. And I'm fearful of all the things that can go wrong while driving: Mechanical issues, road rage, accidents, road closures, etc.

I have learned, over the last couple of years, that a traumatic childhood can lead to a glass-half-empty mindset for life. We, CPTSD sufferers can have a strong lean toward always waiting for the other shoe to drop. We know how bad things can get, so we can't forget that.

Again: the gray area for me is I'm still trying to find the line between natural fears associated with natural aging, versus Trauma fears that come from a difficult past.

Dark.Art.Girl,

That was a profound comment: When you're feeling well mentally, you try to control other aspects and get scared or agitated.

I'm going to ponder this one for a while. Good food for thought

Also, I just figured out a few minutes ago, that empowerment is a fear-buster. I've been in situations where to help someone else, I needed to go into the worst parts of town unarmed. During those times, I wasn't even remotely afraid. I was one of the helpers. I felt empowered. The more empowered I feel, the less fear i carry. I guess that makes sense, right? Empowerment is the opposite of afraid.

As I age, I lose more and more feeling of empowerment, so therefore, the fear grows in the spaces where the empowerment vacates.

Food for thought.

Thanks for the love from you, and also from StartingHealing.

I'm getting better and worse at the same time.

As I age, and participate in every CPTSD therapy I can afford, I'm getting better and worse at the same time.  I'm mentally healthier than ever. I can find firm ground in most situations now. My EFs are fewer and shorter and less frightening than ever. Meanwhile, my real-world fears are getting worse and closer to the surface.

I live in a community that has a newly formed family of very large bears in it. I have not yet seen one, but all my neighbors have. And I've had to pickup piles of their skat from my yard only feet from my bedroom window, and I've had to clean up my garbage can mess a few times. As Climate Change dries out the berries in the surrounding forests, these bears have moved into town and are now living off our garbage bins like smorgasbords. It's a community of mostly elderly people or beachgoing cabin owners. These elderly people walk the streets with tiny dogs on leashes at all hours of the night and day, and so far, nobody's been hurt by one of these 400-pound bears. But yesterday, I tried to go for a walk. I left the house, got to the end of the driveway, looked up and down the street. Nobody was anywhere. This is a very quiet community built in the woods just off the beach. I was too scared to take my walk. "It's autumn: Bears are in hibernation mode, fattening up for winter, and I'm all alone out here." I own bear spray, but don't trust it will stop a 400 pounder. So I went back inside and started inventorying all the ways I'm changing my life because of growing fears of everything that moves.

• The bears have made me afraid to walk or ride a bike in my neighborhood.
• My evil sister, the most abusive human I've known personally, moved to just a few blocks away from me and now I'm afraid to be in my own yard in case the old monster drives by to check on whether I'm home or not.
• I hide in my house now. I'm afraid of people casing my house, so I'm always hiding my car in the garage with the garage door always closed so nobody knows if I'm home or not.
• I'm afraid of criminals, ex relatives, bullies, trump supporters with guns, ICE, (and I'm not even an immigrant).
• I'm afraid of getting shot at in road rage or malls or public places.
• I'm afraid of bears and racoons.
• I'm afraid of the government.
• I'm afraid of the phone when it rings, or the doorbell.
• I'm now becoming afraid of eating food made in restaurant kitchens.
• My beautiful, quiet, woodsy community was wiped out 325 years ago by a tsunami and now they're really driving in the fear of another one coming at any time. So now I make peace with life each night at bedtime just in case I wake up under water.

I'm getting scared of everything.

I'm changing all my behaviors because my surface fears of survival are all heating up. Meanwhile, I'm getting healthier in other ways, so I'm confused. Am I getting better or worse? I think both.

I suspect some of my newer fears are not that uncommon for those of us who are getting older and less able to defend ourselves. (As a younger man, I would have believed I could outrun a bear. I couldn't, but I would have believed I could). I now know the reality of all the people dying in severe weather or geological events, car crashes, mall shootings, road rage, animal attacks, political attacks... My fears used to be of not being accepted or of being humiliated or insulted, or expected to do things I don't want to do. Now my fears of real-world dangers that are swarming around me more than they used to.

Some animals will go off and hide when they get sick or injured because they suddenly feel less able to defend themselves against their own herds. That's how I feel now. I'm hiding behind locked doors because the world outside is scaring me like never before. I'm afraid of my own herd and my own environment. My knees hurt so I can't run. I'm weaker than when I was younger so I don't know if I could even fight for myself. My reflexes are slowing, strength is waning, and my ability to know what the heck is even happening around me is dulling.  So I'm getting more scared as I age.

But I don't think nature is the only reason> I think a life of living in the trauma of fear is catching up to me. I've always been scared, but I've also felt stronger and faster. Now I'm still scared, but I feel vulnerable and unprotected.

I don't like this. Life is hard enough to enjoy without phobias, fears and suspicions. Adding those to an already stressful existence is making me scared of being scared.

I'm a phobia-phobe. I'm afraid of fear itself.

What's scaring me now is wondering, where does this road lead? Will I just keep getting worse as I get better?

Hi San,

I hope you continue to feel better and better. And I'm inspired by your decision to write to your senators. You are right, it feels good to do something, even something small. I haven't begun to do much politically yet, so that's why I'm saying you are inspiring to me. I'm letting the situation scare me into my hole. You're peeking out and doing what you can. I can see how that feels empowering. And empowerment helps with CPTSD.

Impressed.

Papa Coco.

Bach, and Little Bach,

I'm so sorry to hear of the long EF. (I just made a connection: We call periods of emotional flashbacks EF, and that's also how NOAA measures tornadoes, as EF 1 through 5). That's one of those anomalous coincidences that I think are helpful, because of what you said, that you don't know what brought this EF on, nor why it's hanging around. I've always thought of these EFs as weather fronts, which helps me a lot to not take responsibility for them as if I wanted them. After a lifetime of people telling me to "just get over it" and asking "Why do you keep letting it bug you?" I now see these EFs as storms that I didn't decide to have. I don't always understand where they come from, I don't know how long they'll stay, and all I can do is hang on until they subside and I can assess the damages. To me, EFs are storms, and we don't always know what causes them.

I'm very sorry to read that you're in one of those storms now. I hope you continue to lean on the forum for comfort. By the comments I'm seeing, you have a lot of friends here on the forum who care about you. I care about you also. I hope knowing that helps ease the frustration of the storm.

PC

Hope,

Good to hear you are getting things done today and that it feels good.

That's Interesting how AI helped you assess the notes from your mom. That AI is turning out to be quite a global gamechanger.

Enjoy getting things done! That is a good feeling.

PC

[Self]

Hi SH,

I am rereading An Introduction to IFS by Richard Schwartz. The more I understand the various personalities that live within me, the more I am able to love them. And as I love them, I somehow feel more love for myself now too. Actually, I should write it as my Self.  It's said the adult learner retains 15% of what we are taught. So, I figure that if I read the really good books 8 times--with breaks between each read--, then I'll retain 100% of the content. Sounds like a joke, but it works for me.

Once I'm done rereading Intro to IFS, I'm going to reread The Others Within Us by Robert Falconer. Falconer does a really good job explaining how these rogue parts can move about between people and how actual exorcisms done by actual therapists actually work.

We do seem to have similar interests and understandings. To me, quantum physics are bigger and more real than the Newtonian physics that define the Mechanical Universe are. Like Newtonian physics are a smaller subset of the larger universe.

Studies on ancestral trauma are fascinating. And on Organ transplants, and on twins separated at birth living nearly identical lives without even knowing the other existed at all. Paranormal, and energy studies are fascinating.  We are all connected.

This is fun stuff to talk about and ponder and it seems to be becoming a lot more mainstream reality than it used to be. I think more people DO believe in the paranormal things like ghosts and aliens now than don't. As for me, I've seen and experienced enough inexplicable things that it's all just becoming normal to me now. Which is good. We accept what we are able to accept. So the more I learn about the unseen realities beyond Newtonian Physics, the more increasing capacity I have to learn even more.

As for me on this topic of IFS parts and quantum entanglement:
These teachers are helping me continually shrink my EFs. My EFs don't last as long as they once did, and they don't come quite as often. To me, I was damaged in body, mind and soul. So, I need to heal body, mind and soul. These recent teachings by these trauma therapists are moving that same direction. Falconer says it anytime he speaks publicly, that healing from trauma works best with a spiritual component. Not spiritual only, but all three. Body, mind and soul. Speaking only for myself now, this holistic approach is proving very helpful as I work to gain control over my own agency.  For me, being able to finally accept the possibility that parts can possess us during times of weakness, dissociation, or anesthesia, has opened me up to accepting a lot more possibilities for healing.

PC

Narckiddo,

All I can do is shake my head when I read of your mom's antics. They would be funny if they weren't so sad. I am always impressed with people like you and many of the rest of us who came from similar environments and, rather than becoming like them, we took the high road and learned how to be better people because of them.

I'm glad you have this forum to vent this stuff on. It drives us crazy if we take it personally, (Which I did, and that's why I went crazy and then joined this forum to get some sense of reality to my life).

It's refreshing that you have a good clear eyes-wide-open witness to your parents and their not-so-loving ways. I hope our OOTS body of empathetic souls are a help to your sanity, (as this body of people is a help to mine).