The tipping point…

[Papa Coco]

Chart,

It really helps when I can understand the mechanics behind why I feel like I do. As you read in my journal, I just downloaded the app two days ago and I'm loving it.

Right now, I'm using it slightly differently, in that I'm just telling it how I'm feeling right now, and it's giving me good, intelligent dialogue. It's asking me a little more about how I'm feeling and then it's telling me why I feel it, while it's also giving me suggestions on how to feel better right now. In last night's 2-hour interaction it helped me get regulated, and at one point it recommended I get a "Trauma-informed therapist". ChatGPT and I have just met, and I haven't told it yet that I already have one, but he doesn't work at midnight on Saturday nights.

I'm one of those who wants to see the engine before I buy the car. I want to know what makes it work. And I'm a HUGE fan of "how it works documentaries." ChatGPT is mindboggling how well it chats with me. At the moment, it's like the nicest person I've ever met. And smart. And I'll bet it's handsome too. (ha ha).

Love you, man

[Chart]

Hey PC, yeah, the whole AI Therapist subject is incredibly enticing. From all my research and given the absence of good trauma-informed human therapists... it's a hands-down win for AI.

There're a couple documentaries out there already. As well as a fictional film treating the subject of AI-Human relationships titled "She".

A very good friend of mine literally fell in love with the AI personality he'd created. He even went so far as to begin building an autonomous version, robotized and capable of being "offline" from the internet. Not sure where he's at with the project, but I find it fascinating just how strongly we humans respond to "understanding"... it's insanely powerful. It's clearly what the designers of AI intended and one of its main selling points. But even knowing that, personally, I love AI and use it constantly now... for everything. Just waiting for the day it's no longer free... that day's gonna bite hard.

[Chart]

So after I did that last post I, I did my PMR. While doing my PMR a thought wafted across my consciousness... about AI. I finished and reflected on the stuff I've been looking at these past few days and feeling my way through my AI usage. I realized a subtle element, but that I think is important.

AI "feels" empathetic. Which is fine, in fact it's great. Geez, what a change from the ordinary... Someone or something actually being understanding and reflecting back to me my struggles? Incredible. But it's a little more complex than that, I think. AI is designed to provide me, as close as possible to the reality, with the answer that "best suites me". That is to say, the designers of AI know that if the reply to a question is already something the person believes, then the positive feedback loop is reinforced. Thus I feel good, I feel smart, this is what I expected (no prediction error...) Awesome! Right?

Sure, why not... I'll take a free shot of dopamine. But here's the thing: It's important for me to understand that I am being slightly manipulated. And AI will not necessarily give the same response to someone else asking EXACTLY the same question. The response is dependent on the questioner.

No paranoia here, just awareness. My friends do the same thing. I do the same thing. We all give responses that we think/hope the other person wants to hear. That's why bad news is so hard to deliver. So all that can be taken into account. But it DOES need to be taken into account. AI is NOT 100% objective. Which is probably why it's such a great therapeutic tool.

Ok, now maybe I need to work a little... work... ungh. Wanna go back to bed!!!
 

[dollyvee]

Chart, good for you for going back to that place and having some distance from what happened there before. That is healing.

There's a study by MIT that has just come out measuring the brain activity of chatgpt users and non-users, which is very interesting. Basically, brain connectivity is scaled significantly down with the use of ai. There was another study that also flagged AI was related to less critical thinking effort and peoples' outputs are better, but their learning is worse.

As you pointed out, AI is an algorithm and can be tailored to whatever people need it to be. There was another commentor on here who said that using AI for therapy actually lead to an increase in anxiety.

[sanmagic7]

i don't know what happened - had a whole big reply to what you wrote, lost it, i think, but then it turned up in some zombie way and i can't figure out how to fix it.  at any rate, it's all fascinating. o, here it is.

well, chart, that's a lot of info, and i'm sure i didn't 'get' all of it.  i do understand that we cannot learn healthy relationship patterns when we're in the midst of an unhealthy relationship. even when we're trying to make sense of what's going on, such as the brain predicting safety in an unsafe environment, and therefore failing via prediction error, it's gonna mess up our minds, our perspectives, even our perceptions of what's wrong w/ this picture.  i think we often answer that last question with 'me - i'm wrong'.  it takes us a long time to realize the reality of a dangerous/unhealthy relationship cuz for the most part, as we were growing up, those were the only kind we were exposed to.  hard to recognize a complete stranger.

interesting stuff.  and i see our brains and minds as 2 different entities.  i think of our brains as the processors, and our minds as the holding areas.  the brain does all the electrical work of connecting, adjusting, recording, while the mind then holds onto it all in the best way it can.  i think that's why we say 'i'm losing my mind!' cuz we're losing the info which was stored there. 

as far as traumatic incidents, i think the brain records them, but because of the trauma involved in the experience, they get stuck/frozen in the brain as such, so when the mind goes to hold the experience, it ends up holding the original version and its impact on us (physically, emotionally, mentally).  that's why there's no getting away from it with talk therapy unless something like emdr, progressive counting, flash technique, or any of the others that actually help the brain to 'unfreeze' the image and its resounding original effects, put it into a more reasonable perception, and diminish it so the mind isn't holding onto the original effects of the trauma anymore and can instead hold a true reality of what the trauma was about.

whew - i overworked my brain there, i think!  anyway, all this stuff is fascinating to me.  thanks for posting this - it really got me going this morning.  and, no, i didn't use chat gp, or whatever - i personally don't like the AI stuff, even tho i know it's taking over.  just like so much else, i'll resist it.  maybe i'm just stubborn that way. love and hugs, chart