Armee's Journal - A New Chapter

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Larry

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Re: Armee's Journal - A New Chapter
« Reply #810 on: February 27, 2023, 01:22:38 PM »
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Re: Armee's Journal - A New Chapter
« Reply #811 on: February 27, 2023, 06:00:09 PM »
Armee,

Thank you for sharing your feelings and your confusion. You wrote it out very eloquently. I hope your T appointments are able to work this out. Maybe the EMDR began to dislodge something which, with a little time and care from your T you'll be able to work through it and come out the other side with an understanding of what the heck yesterday was all about.

That feeling of not knowing what is real and not real is a familiar feeling for me too. During those days when something was triggered but I was clueless about what was triggered, caused a lot of dissociation and confusion.

I resonate with the other members that you are an amazing friend to a lot of us on this forum. I care, and I know they do too. You are quite intelligent, so I trust that by your pursuit of healing, you and your T are still moving forward in that healing.

I hope and pray that this dissociative, EF, whatever this is, passes quickly and makes its cause known to you in a way that helps make sense of it all.

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« Reply #812 on: March 01, 2023, 01:15:41 AM »
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Thank you Papa Coco. It was a relatively short dissociative episode...a day or so. In parts language I guess didn't make sure all parts of me were OK with what I was doing and so I got knocked down.

I let T know I was really worried about doing parts work and was honest with why. He did some consulting and I feel ok that it's going to be ok and he and I will go very very slow to make sure we don't make things worse. Just a little at a time for that, and for asking parts to let me feel just a tiny bit of the pain to process in little bits.

Thank you for the hugs and sun Larry. It really helped to see that the other day when I didn't feel like I could really write anything, it was just right.  :hug:

I'm not sure what to write about lately. On the one hand my PTSD symptoms are doing really well. I'm sleeping through the night almost every night. No nightmares, no gross images. A sound that is deeply triggering that my husband has not managed to stop doing has stopped bothering me (a deep inhale that would instantly start me shaking). I don't need to tell myself I'm safe, I just feel nothing bad at all.

On the other hand I had another indoor therapy session today and that is really bad. It gave me a little bit of compassion for myself though and what I would have been going through at work without really realizing it. That being in those small offices with doors closed and lots of people, the triggers there. And I didn't know I just thought I was really self conscious and needed to escape so people wouldn't know I was gross and I had to spend multiple hours every day like that. It kind of breaks my heart a little.

And T tried to say something to encourage me that he only lost me for 7 minutes at one point when I dissociated and he was trying to encourage me by saying that, but 7 minutes is a long time and it feels like 2 minutes and how long did I used to be gone for, that 7 minutes is celebratory? I don't know my head is swimming from a lot of things from today's session.

I got really sad about a realization about how much they messed me up that I shouldn't say here. I hate how much of this stuff is just unspeakable.

I was thinking about the ACES study the other day and how my score is 9 but I couldn't remember which ACE I didn't have so I looked again. But realized with learning that my father was in jail when I was born, technically I think my score is 10. And I guess that shows a lot of resilience because I'm doing ok. But then am I? In some ways yes and some ways no.

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« Reply #813 on: March 01, 2023, 04:44:48 PM »
my dear armee, these realizations can be both reassuring and awful at the same time.  it sounds like you're making a lot of progress.  i'm so glad about the T you have, how he's been patient, willing, and supportive for you when you've needed it.  i also relate to the idea of being confused when something new/old comes up.  i'm with you all the way.  if you ever want some company, just to sit and chat or watch a fun movie, we've always got the blanket fort to go to.  much love and a hug filled w/ everything you need right now.  :hug:

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« Reply #814 on: March 02, 2023, 02:24:46 AM »
Thinking of you Armee as you navigate this.

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Armee

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« Reply #815 on: March 02, 2023, 05:08:23 PM »
Thank you San, for reminding me of the blanket fort.  :grouphug: And for understanding and hugs.

Thank you Rainy, for keeping me in mind as I navigate this.

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I thought I had a big revelation yesterday, responding to Kizzie's Journaling prompt. And I thought it somehow held the key to unlocking this big chunk of life-interfering symptoms that led me to flee work and keeps me from feeling like I can go back or start over anywhere else.

But as I tried to chew on it and find how to use this insight to get out of my mental hole I realized all these things are still based on incomplete understandings of what happened. Depending on what part of my brain is activated as I try to figure it out I only have pieces of information and then eventually as I try to work my way out of the tangle I realize that the path I've been trying to navigate is based on incomplete information.

Like thinking i just need to change the outcome of the conversation with the men, and to stop recreating that conversation at work in an attempt to work through this and stay safe. And then last night I remembered that it doesn't matter about the conversation with the men, no matter what happened, even if I managed to not go...the grandfather still would have gotten me.

I know this doesn't make sense because I don't want to spell the whole thing out and also I get myself confused trying to but where I'm at right now is realizing I need to write down all of what I know happened and keep updating it as different parts of my brain cough up their version. I think I need to have a consistent coherent story that all parts of my brain can read and understand but it feels so so daunting to try to do this. And yet it feels like this is what I need.

The parts of me that went through it are not even connected and on the same page and don't know what actually happened. (As best I can tell I completely shattered into multiple parts of my brain when this happened and they are locked in their own little world). They have their own story and all these conflicting things are driving my behavior in a way that doesn't make sense. It's so complicated but I need it to get fixed because the messed up beliefs are keeping me from working.

But yeah I'm really confused and don't even know where or how to start.

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« Reply #816 on: March 02, 2023, 05:24:37 PM »
armee, as i recall, you were drugged when this happened.  i think that's a powerful reason for the parts of your brain to struggle to make one complete, comprehensible story.  it may be that some of them will never be able to retrieve their own pieces cuz of the drugs.

one mentor i had in the alc/drug addiction area explained blackouts to me like this:  he believed that the amount of alc. was so 'thick', it didn't allow an event to reach the remembering part of the brain and form a memory.  it could be true that the specific drug(s) you were given had the same effect.

i think if you believe writing it all down, the bits and pieces you have, is going to help, i send all kinds of support for you doing that.  it may be just what you and those parts need.  messing w/ someone's brain while committing a horror to them is just the very worst.  it takes away your will, takes away your power, and takes away too many chances of being able to reclaim the details of what went on,

and, no, i don't believe if you talked to them differently things might not have happened.  they were on a mission and did every nefarious trick in the book to see that mission fulfilled.  and, as you said, there was always the grandfather.  you were used and abused in the worst way, armee, by the worst kinds of people.  this is not on you in any way - it's all on them, all of it.  a pox on them.  much love and a warm, gentle, embracing hug to give you the strength you need to navigate these turbulent waters. :bighug:

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« Reply #817 on: March 02, 2023, 05:56:07 PM »
Your pox made me giggle.  :hug:

Thank you. For reminding me of this. I actually yeah forgot about the drugging part being significant to how I experience this. I actually think I may have very faint memories of them trying to get me to drink but I'm not very sure if I'm just filling that in from them telling me I'm too tense and need to relax and then not remembering anything after that. But based on a lot of body memories and sensations and a scar I have that corresponds with those sensations I think they injected me in the end. At first I thought I was crazy for thinking that. And then news stories started coming out about needle spiking and I actually felt more crazy because people were acting like this was hyped up AND it seemed like a brand new thing. But then I read a book on drug facilitated assaults that was published in 2000 and drugs were being injected then back when this happened. Thanks for giving me this piece back, San.

I know I'll never have a full picture of what happened during and I'm glad enough for that. I just want there to be connection between the thoughts and beliefs that formed at different stages of the assault because they are in conflict with each other and it feels like my way out of this is to make sure the whole brain understands what happened and why. The part that causes the most problems is the part of my brain that thinks what happened was I misled them and was a bad model. That part drives my behavior at work but doesn't seem to know that they would have hurt me either way. And that part that knows that they would have hurt me either way does not seem to know that it doesn't matter if I was lured to the hotel or not because the grandfather would have taken care of it at his house if needed. I need to know all these pieces at once no matter which moment in time I am remembering or reliving.

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« Reply #818 on: March 02, 2023, 07:57:54 PM »
and i believe that's trauma doing the thinking for you, armee.  makes us doubt ourselves, makes us believe we should have done this or that and if so, the trauma would've never occurred, makes us think that somehow we need to shoulder some of the blame.  we don't. we couldn't. we know what we know.  your body has that information and gives it to you regularly.  it didn't matter what you did, thought, felt, said or not.  it's all on them.  and i also believe the grandfather would have had his way no matter what.  you're in the clear.  it's on all of them.  just reiterating, not judging or repeating for the sake of doing so.  you were victimized. period.   love and hugs :hug:

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« Reply #819 on: March 03, 2023, 01:27:23 AM »
  it didn't matter what you did, thought, felt, said or not.  it's all on them.  and i also believe the grandfather would have had his way no matter what.  you're in the clear.  it's on all of them.  just reiterating, not judging or repeating for the sake of doing so.  you were victimized. period.   love and hugs :hug:
:yeahthat: Agree. San worded it well.

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« Reply #820 on: March 03, 2023, 07:05:00 PM »
I also agree with San's words that trauma makes us doubt ourselves and makes us try to find how we could have controlled the situation.

I've long believed that healthy trauma is a prewired teaching tool. My favorite example is what our brains do after a car accident. I've been in a few of those. For a few days post-accident, I can't close my eyes without reliving the accident, and when I relive it, I try desperately to locate my mistakes. Should I have taken a different road? Should I have swerved instead of hit the brakes? Should I have not stopped at that mini market? Was it really their fault? Was there something I should have known before the horns started blaring? Should I have been watching the red car instead of the white one? --- I believe that the healthy purpose for this questioning is so I can learn from it and never recreate the same scenario and never repeat the same mistake so as to repeat the same accident.  I personally believe our brains do that so we learn from our mistakes. 

The problem with the traumas that you've been through are that you did nothing wrong. What happened to you was so far out of your control that it got your brain stuck in the review process. What if I'd have said this instead of that? What if I'd have worn pants instead of a dress? What if this? What if that?  But in reality, there is no answer that points to anything you could have done differently. How do you learn from that? The trauma lingers and festers as some parts of your brain start to question what even happened at all. Memories get tangled up and foggy. With no way to resolve a learning from that, healthy trauma becomes a long term, post trauma disorder.  When that happens, relief won't be found in finding where we went wrong--because we didn't go wrong anywhere. Relief comes from various therapies and treatments that eventually help us to accept that it happened no matter what we did to avoid it.  That's very difficult for the human brain to accept. That we had zero choice in what happened. That lack of control is frightening to the core. But it happens. Tornados happen. Attacks happen. Earthquakes happen. And that really messes with our ability to feel like we can control our own safety.

My heart aches a bit when I read what you went through. I wish I could have been there to stop those monsters myself.

But this isn't how the story ends. We have the chance now to heal.

What we have today is a chance to understand what we couldn't before. We finally have compassionate modern psychology. We have forum friendships with people who truly believe us when we report the outrageous truths that there were needles and drugs involved. YES it REALLY happened. And YES we believe each other. We have tons of emerging literature that helps us to all see that none of us deserved what we went through, and none of us on this forum could have done anything to stop it. Your struggle is uniquely yours. Mine is uniquely mine. But together we hold each other up and validate the truth behind the years of pain and struggle. We're stronger together.

I cherish the hugs you keep sending to me, and I put a lot of myself into the hugs I send back to you.

You did nothing wrong. You didn't deserve what they did. They were on an evil mission and they did what they did because they're monsters. Horrible, horrible monsters. You can trust your own memories about everything you went through. No part of me has ever once thought that anything you've ever written here was fabricated. I trust the memories of us trauma victims far more certainly than I do the lies of the offenders or the judgements of onlookers.

We are the good people in these stories of ours. We are the good guys. Bank on it. It's true. WE ARE THE GOOD PEOPLE in these stories.

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« Reply #821 on: March 04, 2023, 03:08:11 AM »
Thank you dearly San and Papa. For believing me, for reminding me it's not my fault, all of what you wrote the salve we need that almost no one beside fellow survivors know how to give.

Papa Coco you are spot on about the purpose of these ruminations. And that's the thing.

Trigger Warnings, rest in white font. I'm sorry this is really long, really repetitive, and really rambling. But it helps me try to explain things to others.

   

Present me - the one who knows I was gang raped, who knows it was violent, who knows I was drugged, who knows I could not stop it - that spot in my brain where present me lives.  She knows no matter what I did it still would have happened.

The problem is the me that went through it - the one who was drugged, the one who does not remember, the one who thinks the only thing that happened was that I agreed to model for some strange men and that I wasn't what they needed me to be and that I misled them and let them down - that one doesn't know the whole thing ended in gang rape.

That part of my brain keeps recreating the scenario especially at work and she has no idea that the whole incident includes gang rape, that the whole thing was a set up, that she did not mislead anyone. So that part of me keeps trying to redo this.

I worked really really hard at work. I really cared about what I did. As a result I did things people would want to hear about. I did things that made people think I was amazing and brilliant. So people would hunt me down asking me to please present this or that project to this or that conference or meeting or senior official.

Cue trauma response: uh oh someone thinks I can do something that I'm not good enough for. I have to convince them I am not what they think (I'm not a model = I'm not a scientist, I don't have the right clothes = I'm not a good speaker. Please find someone else = I know this other really amazing person let me put you in touch she'll be perfect.)

Except these claims at work that I was not really a scientist, not really smart, not really who they needed or were looking for - they were just not something anyone who knew my work could swallow. It made them tell me even more firmly that I was amazing and really the person they wanted. You'll be fine you'll be great please we just need someone. Right there. I would set myself up to repeat exactly what happened on the beach when that man begged me and guilted me into going to the hotel to model for them or else he'd lose his job. What they said is exactly what my colleagues would say.. Just like then I'd end up guilted into doing the thing at work and a sense of doom and needing to die would settle in. I made that whole conversation happen. I recreated it every time.

Then, because I cared about my work and because I definitely don't want a repeat of what happened in the hotel where I  go to do the thing but they discover I'm too tense and not a good model, to avoid that I work myself to the bone to do a good job. I end up exhausted and terrified.

And then what happens? I do an ok to great job. I get praised to high heaven. More people ask more things of me. I tell people i really do not like praise, its really hard on me. Please don't. They think I have low self esteem and make an even bigger deal of my talents.

Then I am misleading people EVEN more and the stakes become even higher. All the while it is that 19 year old girl reacting to all this, thinking: if I can just get them to listen to me that I am not right for this job, not capable of what they think I am capable of, if for just once they would say "oh, thanks for letting me know, we'll ask someone else" then I would be safe. I would not be misleading anyone. That's what the 19 year old thinks. And she keeps setting up encounters that recreate this whole thing and they never end with "thanks we'll ask someone else."

I need to stop trying to do this. I need to stop recreating this scenario. I am doing it to myself. But the thing is, the part of me doing it has no idea that it ended in rape. Has no idea no matter what she did it still would have happened. That she did not mislead those men.

I need that up-to-date accurate information to be available to all parts of my brain at all times, otherwise I'm destined to keep recreating this in professional settings, destined to keep feeling like I need to die, destined to not be able to function at work. 

Except that part of me that gets triggered, that recreates this scenario over and over has no idea something bad happened and has no idea she didn't mislead anyone. I just need to find ways to get the knowledge of what happened and why to all the little isolated pockets of my brain.



So yeah, the part of me that knows what happened knows it wasn't my fault. But that is not the part that is causing problems for me. I don't know how I do this. Is it EMDR? Parts work, both combined? I don't know because these parts are freaking blown apart all over my brain. It's not just one part that went through that. It shattered into multiple parts and each knows something different. But they are really buried in there I only hear or see what they know rarely and I have no control of when and how the information comes, but it is never ever in therapy. And when I try to talk to parts on my own it is straight chaos.

I hate how crazy this sounds. I don't think of it in a crazy way, it's just these neural connections that operate in discrete groups and don't connect to other groups of neurons. It's not like I think there are a bunch of me in here. But the information is definitely not equally and consistently accessible.
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« Reply #822 on: March 04, 2023, 04:06:14 AM »
What you said makes sense and does not sound crazy. I don't have an answer to "how to do this." I do know that you will find your way. Please be kind and patient with all the parts of yourself.

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« Reply #823 on: March 04, 2023, 11:53:57 AM »
You don't sound crazy to me either.  To me, you sound like a person who is in the process of accepting the reality of what happened and are courageously moving through the healing journey.

You only recently really remembered all of this stuff. The clarity of your memories has been noticeably improving since. I am impressed that you are no longer shy about exposing what those bastards did to you. Some of your parts are more confidently standing with the truth about their sins. That feels right to me. Some of your parts still aren't on board, but if you keep claiming your truth, those parts will change sides to work with you. I repeat my T's words every day: "When we claim what is ours, what isn't ours falls away."

As I read your post, I hold back some watery eyes, and can actually feel the fresh release of old energy through your words. I hope that you can feel that same release as you write them. Your words feel authentic and real and powerful. Yeah, you're in a confusing inner argument as some of you accepts the truth while other parts are still trying to take responsibility, but that's normal for us CPTSD survivors. There is good power in saying: "Here's what those bastards did to me!" It feels empowering. It feels right. As we claim what is ours....

You've been good about helping me understand that praise isn't something you can digest, and I truly understand why that is so. I respect that. You know people see your strengths, and you admit you can't digest the praise for that. The world is filled with people who can't see that in themselves, but you are able to see it, which gives you a leg up on the situation. So that hurdle has been cleared.

I don't think you're trapped in your confusion here. I think you are moving through it. The Valley of the Shadow of Death is a place we travel through. We don't stay in it. We travel through it. You're on your way to the sunrise on the other side. All I'll say about your letter is that I feel strength in it, and I have confidence that you and your therapist and your own research are making progress and are leading you in the right direction.

I remembered my rape forty years ago. I remember then feeling like I was absolutely insane and was never going to get better. But I did. I walked through the valley myself and thought it would never end. But therapy, books, friendships, and telling the world what really happened, eventually helped me process it to the point that it doesn't control me anymore. It took time and determination to keep working at it. I have confidence that as you travel through the healing process that works best for you, that you're on your way to finding relief from the trauma confusion.

You're not traveling this road alone. In heart and spirit, you have a lot of friends holding out our hands to you.

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« Reply #824 on: March 04, 2023, 04:58:36 PM »
my dearest armee, it doesn't sound, you don't sound, crazy at all.  our minds/brains are wondrous, and yours has done what it could to protect you from being sunk by what happened to you.  you've written about neural pathways, how they can be rejoined, how new ones can be made.  the fact that you were able to write this down, see what's going on in your mind so clearly seems to me to speak to that.  it wasn't that long ago that you didn't even think this happened, let alone write about it, naming it, sharing it.

one idea came into my head while reading what you wrote and that was to show this to your T, let him figure out what to do.  you don't have to do that on your own.  the fact that you are remembering, even w/ fractured parts, shows so much progress to me.  i hope you can let him in on this, if you haven't already.  your narrative is well-written, clear, and loaded w/ information.  you deserve help with trying to figure out how to go at it.

sending love and a hug full of 'stick-um' spray to encourage these two factions to come together and be cohesive w/ each other. :hug: